{"id":18404,"date":"2005-11-10T16:21:00","date_gmt":"2005-11-10T14:21:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.monnaiesdetections.com\/?p=18404"},"modified":"2023-11-10T16:29:23","modified_gmt":"2023-11-10T14:29:23","slug":"trouvaille-25-01","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.monnaiesdetections.com\/?p=18404","title":{"rendered":"Trouvaille 25.01"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>Cher Monsieur, pouvez-vous me faire parvenir dans la rubrique identification cet objet triangulaire et cette monnaie de Charles 2 ou 3&nbsp;afin d\u2019obtenir quelques renseignements&nbsp;?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">C\u2019est un bel objet, mais j\u2019ignore totalement son usage, j\u2019avais pens\u00e9\u00a0 \u00e0 l\u2019extr\u00e9mit\u00e9 finale d\u2019une ceinture, mais cela para\u00eet trop l\u00e9ger et manquerait d\u2018\u00e9paisseur. De plus, le syst\u00e8me d\u2019attache est absent et ne peut \u00eatre ces trois trous de rivets\u00a0? trop proches les uns des autres\u2026. De forme g\u00e9om\u00e9trique triangulaire , cette plaque pr\u00e9sente \u00e0 son extr\u00e9mit\u00e9 une forme animali\u00e8re, la t\u00eate d\u2019un mouton vue de dessus et les oreilles un peu disproportionn\u00e9es.Le triangle central comporte trois cartouches d\u00e9cor\u00e9s \u00e0 l\u2019identique a chacun des angles. Et choses curieuses , la partie centrale de chaque cartouche est effac\u00e9e, non pas de mani\u00e8re volontaire, mais due \u00e0 une \u00e9rosion naturelle chimique d\u2019un autre composant pr\u00e9sent uniquement \u00e0 ces trois emplacements. Peut \u00eatre une esp\u00e8ce de colle qui maintenait un autre \u00e9l\u00e9ment d\u00e9coratif en place. L\u2019objet , en lui m\u00eame \u00e0 une vocation d\u00e9corative, peut \u00eatre sur un ouvrage du XIII\u00b0-XV\u00b0 si\u00e8cle. MO**<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">La monnaie quant \u00e0 elle , est un denier de Charles le simple (898-929) GRATIA DEI REX et monogramme carolingien d\u00e9g\u00e9n\u00e9r\u00e9 au revers PARISII CIVITAS en deux lignes entre deux croisettes. Ici, se pose une difficult\u00e9 d\u2019attribution car Raoul(923-936) a repris exactement le m\u00eame type de monnaie. Comment les diff\u00e9rencier toutes les deux\u00a0?La r\u00e9ponse m\u2019a \u00e9t\u00e9 fournie par un sp\u00e9cialiste\u00a0:Pour Charles le simple, la lettre K du monogramme est clairement un K alors que pour Raoul elle a \u00e9t\u00e9 transform\u00e9e en R CQFD et je n\u2019avais pas remarqu\u00e9 cette l\u00e9g\u00e8re diff\u00e9rence\u00a0 sur le monogramme. Estimation \u00e0 240 \u20ac<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped wp-block-gallery-1 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.monnaiesdetections.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/1-2.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"758\" height=\"894\" data-id=\"18405\" src=\"https:\/\/www.monnaiesdetections.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/1-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-18405\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.monnaiesdetections.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/1-2.jpg 758w, https:\/\/www.monnaiesdetections.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/1-2-600x708.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.monnaiesdetections.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/1-2-254x300.jpg 254w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 758px) 100vw, 758px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.monnaiesdetections.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/1B.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"438\" data-id=\"18406\" src=\"https:\/\/www.monnaiesdetections.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/1B-1024x438.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-18406\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.monnaiesdetections.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/1B-1024x438.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.monnaiesdetections.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/1B-600x257.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.monnaiesdetections.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/1B-300x128.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.monnaiesdetections.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/1B-768x329.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.monnaiesdetections.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/1B.jpg 1404w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/figure>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Cher Monsieur, pouvez-vous me faire parvenir dans la rubrique identification cet objet triangulaire et cette monnaie de Charles 2 ou 3&nbsp;afin d\u2019obtenir quelques renseignements&nbsp;? C\u2019est un bel objet, mais j\u2019ignore totalement son usage, j\u2019avais pens\u00e9\u00a0 \u00e0 l\u2019extr\u00e9mit\u00e9 finale d\u2019une ceinture, mais cela para\u00eet trop l\u00e9ger et manquerait d\u2018\u00e9paisseur. De plus, le syst\u00e8me d\u2019attache est absent [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[13],"tags":[4887,4453,2580,2581,4888,2869,495,4886,775,47],"class_list":["post-18404","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-trouvailles","tag-decorative","tag-denier-charles-le-simple","tag-detecteurs-de-metaux","tag-detectoristes","tag-monograme","tag-objet-mystere-2","tag-paris","tag-plaque-triangulaire","tag-prospecteurs","tag-prospection"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.monnaiesdetections.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/18404","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.monnaiesdetections.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.monnaiesdetections.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.monnaiesdetections.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.monnaiesdetections.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=18404"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.monnaiesdetections.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/18404\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":18407,"href":"https:\/\/www.monnaiesdetections.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/18404\/revisions\/18407"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.monnaiesdetections.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=18404"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.monnaiesdetections.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=18404"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.monnaiesdetections.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=18404"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}